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  • To continue what was said from last time, yes, I agree that the powered people just plain forgot that they had powers. WTF?

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    • So...Do you think MK11 will get story DLC. -DinoLord00

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    • I had this idea for Chameleon and Khameleon. As we all know, Reptile's real name is Syzoth. For Khameleon, her real name should be Ixayiotli, while the male one's real name should be Cuexin.

      Yeah, I know that it's still unknown whether or not Chameleon (male) is a Zaterran, but the idea of him having a real name came to mind (assuming he is of Reptile's race).

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    • @DinoLord: What do you mean? Like a DLC chapter or story?

      @Dynamo: I agree that the Chameleons should have real names. How did you come to the conclusions of the names you picked?

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      @DinoLord: What do you mean? Like a DLC chapter or story?

      @Dynamo: I agree that the Chameleons should have real names. How did you come to the conclusions of the names you picked?

      I'm not really sure. Apparently, a friend of mine on DeviantArt somehow came up with those names. Also, Cuexin is Nahuatl for "crocodile" or "lizard".

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    • Well, for the DLC chapters, it'll be different stories taking place before the original Mortal Kombat like joining Shoa Kahn in his quest for Edenia, the formation of the Black Dragon, the takeover of the Netherealm with Shinnok and Quan Chi, defending Earthrealm from Shinnok and various others. -DinoLord00

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    • Interesting. Would the origin stories be playable?

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    • Yes. Generally in each story, 3-5 chapters are available a piece and last for 2-3 hours.

      -DinoLord00

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    • I like that. The only real issue is which side are you going to be playing on when the origin portion of the chapters are on? Personally, I would love to see this MK take on the two or three story modes. 1 where you play for good, 1 where you play for evil, and perhaps 1 where you choose your destiny and play neutral.

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    • To answer the question, it would generally vary as they are almost completely independant stories. -DinoLord00

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    • Interesting. So you might be playing as Shao Kahn for the tournament against Edenia?

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    • Yep. The stories are to just really flesh out the villains and other characters more without gunking up the main story will needless exposition. -DinoLord00

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    • By the way, am I the only person around who doesn't like any characters dying in the story, even if it's a useless character like Drahmin or Moloch. -DinoLord00

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    • Even if characters are dead and dying, I doubt they'll be that way for long.

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    • I definitely do miss those old 3-D fighting plane style games in Mortal Kombat. The ability to sidestep and everything was epic in those games. I really do want that to return soon.

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    • Blitz4560 wrote:
      I definitely do miss those old 3-D fighting plane style games in Mortal Kombat. The ability to sidestep and everything was epic in those games. I really do want that to return soon.

      To be completely honest, I think MK is better off in 2.5D like it is now (beginning with MK9).

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    • Yeah, some series can work alright as 3D fighters but MK's not really one of them. The mentioned return to form is easily preferred by almost everyone.

      Regarding the earlier discussed Sindel thing, it was sadly the worst part of MK9. Sure, it's easy to buy how stronger she becamse (at the time) because of Shang Tsung's essence, but they didn't really show Shang to be that strong himself with his own power, which was ass... The others not using the best of their abilities against her was kinda odd too, though I question how much a difference it would've made. The NIghtwolf comeback was still cool though.

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    • Yeah, that was my original thought. I think they should've been able to finish Sindel off so that everyone could live. I suppose that NRS really wanted most to die.

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    • Well, I guess they wanted to further complicate loose ends at the ending because then we wouldn't really fear the Netherrealm because pretty much they are total weaklings. -DinoLord00

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    • I'd imagine that they wanted to kill off a lot of the characters so that they would come back as an army of revenants against a small number of heroes.

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    • So long as they don't remain dead, I'm okay with it. -DinoLord00

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    • Yeah, Mortal Kombat is notorious for not killing off characters but letting them come back no matter how many times.

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    • By the way, what would happen if a second armageddon should happen. -DinoLord00

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    • I think that's what we're trying to figure out. I'm sure that it would be very similar if not almost exactly with the acception of the newer characters. The only real difference would probably be the outcome.

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    • Speaking of Armageddon, what would you do if you were Shao Kahn and ran out of things to conquer? -DinoLord00

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    • Go insane because there is nothing else to do.

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    • I'd just create a tournament where different fighters chosen involuntary fight to the death.

      -DinoLord00

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    • Kind of reminds me of the premise to Super Smash Brothers. Master Hand takes toys out of the toy box and has them fight.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      Kind of reminds me of the premise to Super Smash Brothers. Master Hand takes toys out of the toy box and has them fight.

      That just made me LOL a bit.

      On the other hand, I know Shinnok's MKX ending is non-canon, but I can imagine it going the same way as Shao Kahn's Armageddon ending: He gets driven to madness when there's nothing left for him to take over.

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    • Maybe he could restart the universe like Ares in his ending at injuatice. After all, he is one of the most powerfulcharacters with his amulet. -DinoLord00

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    • Even though the ending is most likely non-canon (as I said earlier), that does make sense.

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    • Dynamo68 wrote:
      Dragonspyne wrote:
      Kind of reminds me of the premise to Super Smash Brothers. Master Hand takes toys out of the toy box and has them fight.
      That just made me LOL a bit.

      On the other hand, I know Shinnok's MKX ending is non-canon, but I can imagine it going the same way as Shao Kahn's Armageddon ending: He gets driven to madness when there's nothing left for him to take over.

      Basically, villains don't get a happy ending even if they win. Their victory may be satisfying at first like with Armageddon Shao Kahn and the like, but being forever alone and nothing left to do drives them to despair.

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    • You can technically say that about any villain in general, not just Mortal Kombat. I mean, if a villain would succeed in taking over the world, there would be nothing left for them to do, unless they'd have money and make like a king/queen. Just sayin'.

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    • That's what I meant, in general, not just with MK.

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    • Ridley Prime wrote:
      That's what I meant, in general, not just with MK.

      I see.

      On the other hand, since Shinnok is only a still-living head, it's gonna suck for him to be like that until he gets a new body, since his nose will probably itch. That would not be a good feeling.

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    • Indeed. By the way, I wonder what the Elder Gods are doing to Shao Kahn, if he is alive and all. -DinoLord00

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    • I can see the MK universe getting an overhaul due to the One Kamidogu combined with the amulet and being used to create something else. Maybe that will be the next reboot if they so choose to.

      @DinoLord: I've often thought of what's happening to Shao Kahn also. He could just be getting tortured or imprisoned. A theory of mine is that he's going to go through attitude readjustment. Shao Kahn is very powerful indeed. I would imagine that there could be use for him. I like the idea of him coming to the realization that he was wrong all this time and try to attone for his wrong doings and almost become the Elder Gods' Champion. Either that or make it so that he is forced to only do good deeds or he could risk something truly bad happening to him like being on probation.

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    • I think they're using him to become their champion to use him to defeat the One Being should he come. -DinoLord00

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    • By the way, I wonder when they're going to end the series. -DinoLord00

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    • Not for a long time.

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    • Considering Warner Bros. purchased the MK franchise back in 2009, it likely won't be ending anytime soon. After all, MK is a big franchise.

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    • Mortal Kombat is the king of fighting games after all.

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    • Indeed. No wonder MK9 was a winner compared to other fighting game released in 2011. At least, that's what I've heard.

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    • I have an idea, not sure if you guys like the sound of it. Raiden has been corrupted by the Jinsei and the Amulet, and has since lost his sense of ideals. Soon, he will start thinking the only way to 'defend' Earthrealm is to wipe out all other known realms. He will begin by searching for Onaga's tomb with the intentions of reviving him and forcing him to wipe out Kotal Kahn and all his soldiers. He would soon betray Onaga and imprison him in the Amulet to add to his dark powers.

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    • I could see that, seeing as how that was the way he brought back Liu Kang in the original timeline, although I think that, like other villains, Onaga would foresee Raiden's ulterior motives.

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    • He didn't with Shao Kahn and he was his trusted advisor.

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    • My only question is that if Dark Raiden were to do something that goes to the extreme, what would Onaga do about it? I ask this mainly because of when Ridley Prime mentioned that Onaga could foresee Raiden's ulterior motives.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      He didn't with Shao Kahn and he was his trusted advisor.

      That was different. He'd have no reason to trust Raiden, who he had no prior history/relations with.

      Plus he learned from that mistake with Shao Kahn, given how wary he was about Shinnok after being brought back by him (post-Deception).

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    • I think that Dark Raiden and Onaga would fight, but Onaga would gain teh upper hand.

      -DinoLord00

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    • I agree. Onaga would win the fight. I seriously doubt that Onaga would even care if Raiden went against him.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      I agree. Onaga would win the fight. I seriously doubt that Onaga would even care if Raiden went against him.

      And take the Amulet from Raiden?

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    • Peja2100 wrote:

      Dragonspyne wrote:
      I agree. Onaga would win the fight. I seriously doubt that Onaga would even care if Raiden went against him.

      And take the Amulet from Raiden?

      I don't see why not. In fact, I don't see why Onaga would even need Raiden. I can see Raiden asking for help and even teaming up with him and Onaga just takes advantage.

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    • After all, Onaga would need Shinnok's amulet witht the other kamidogu to become practically incvincible. -DinoLord00

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    • Exactly. He could just take it from Raiden if he wanted to.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      Exactly. He could just take it from Raiden if he wanted to.

      I'm thinking Raiden would give Onaga the kamidogu to give him the power he needs to wipe out all of Outworld - starting with Kotal Kahn - under the assumption that he would just use that power blindly just like Mileena with the Amulet. Then Onaga would anticipate Raiden's betrayal and engage him in Kombat, ultimately proving that he knows how to use that power, and then he can just take the amulet from him, and then...well, basically it's only a matter of time before it's Armageddon all over again.

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    • Makes sense. -DinoLord00

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    • Peja2100 wrote:
      I'm thinking Raiden would give Onaga the kamidogu to give him the power he needs to wipe out all of Outworld - starting with Kotal Kahn - under the assumption that he would just use that power blindly just like Mileena with the Amulet. Then Onaga would anticipate Raiden's betrayal and engage him in Kombat, ultimately proving that he knows how to use that power, and then he can just take the amulet from him, and then...well, basically it's only a matter of time before it's Armageddon all over again.

      I see what you're saying. My only objection would be that it sounds like another end of MK9 scenario. Just give the prize to the bad guy and let him destroy himself. If I'm wrong, let me know.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      Peja2100 wrote:
      I'm thinking Raiden would give Onaga the kamidogu to give him the power he needs to wipe out all of Outworld - starting with Kotal Kahn - under the assumption that he would just use that power blindly just like Mileena with the Amulet. Then Onaga would anticipate Raiden's betrayal and engage him in Kombat, ultimately proving that he knows how to use that power, and then he can just take the amulet from him, and then...well, basically it's only a matter of time before it's Armageddon all over again.
      I see what you're saying. My only objection would be that it sounds like another end of MK9 scenario. Just give the prize to the bad guy and let him destroy himself. If I'm wrong, let me know.

      That's what Raiden THINKS is gonna happen, but not what actually does happen

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    • I think that Raiden will stop working with Onaga when he demands Earthrealm's Kamidogu.

      -DinoLord00

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    • @Peja: I like that idea. Like "It worked once before. I don't see why it wouldn't work again." The event happens but things get screwed up and... "Oh, now I really screwed up."

      @DinoLord: If Peja's right then Raiden would give all the Kamidogus to Onaga. I would be a great opportunity for NRS to personify the One Being.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      @Peja: I like that idea. Like "It worked once before. I don't see why it wouldn't work again." The event happens but things get screwed up and... "Oh, now I really screwed up."

      @DinoLord: If Peja's right then Raiden would give all the Kamidogus to Onaga. I would be a great opportunity for NRS to personify the One Being.

      Then he realizes what he's done once he's been freed from the corruption. I actually wanna see a way that they personify the One Being. Like, the holders of all the kamidogu come together to stop Onaga, who has the Earthrealm, Outworld, and Netherrealm kamidogu as well as Shinnok's amulet. Onaga, however manages to take them away one by one. Then who will be the one to stop him once he's all-powerful? Would even an Elder God be able to stop that?

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    • That's when my theory comes into play. Shao Kahn comes out of the prison that he was in. The prison possibly exists outside of our regular time so thousands of years to the prison could be just a couple of decades to us. Shao Kahn is fully reconstructed to be the Elder Gods' Champion. He gos up against Onaga and kills him.

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    • I feel like that would be a little unrealistic since Onaga is after all one of teh most powerful kombatants in the universe and it would leave the plothole on why Shao Kahn didn't do this beforehand instead of poisoning him. -DinoLord00

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    • I would assume that it's because Shao Kahn was not very strong before. Even in his conquering career, Shao Kahn has gotten stronger. I would think a few thousand more years plus some conditioning from the Elder Gods would do quite a justice for an Elder God Champion.

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    • The Elder Gods champion thing was one of the only times Scorpion actually got to be cool in canon instead of just a vengeful idiot, so I say let him have that status again instead of Shao Kahn sweeping it under the rug from him.

      In the current timeline's case, it'd be Hanzo's shot at redemption after his antics in MKX.

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    • Ridley Prime wrote:
      The Elder Gods champion thing was one of the only times Scorpion actually got to be cool in canon instead of just a vengeful idiot, so I say let him have that status again instead of Shao Kahn sweeping it under the rug from him.

      In the current timeline's case, it'd be Hanzo's shot at redemption after his antics in MKX.

      Which antics?

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    • Peja2100 wrote:
      Ridley Prime wrote:
      The Elder Gods champion thing was one of the only times Scorpion actually got to be cool in canon instead of just a vengeful idiot, so I say let him have that status again instead of Shao Kahn sweeping it under the rug from him.

      In the current timeline's case, it'd be Hanzo's shot at redemption after his antics in MKX.

      Which antics?

      The fact that Scorpion killed Quan Chi before he could reverse the affects of the revenants.

      But to conclude with what Ridley Prime was talking about: I don't disagree that Scorpion should be the Elder God Champion because it did bring a new "cool" to him. However, I would assume that they would want/need someone who is stronger and more powerful to become the new champion. Plus, the only reason why they even got Scorpion in the first place was because he was in the Soulnado and taken out of there. Now, if that's the way to become the Elder God Champion then the position would be handed over to Noob Saibot because of him being in the Soulnado in MK9. So, why would the Elder Gods choose Scorpion now?

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    • Oh yeah, I'd be fine with Bi-Han having that title too. He needs a new purpose anyhow.

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    • Ridley Prime wrote:
      Oh yeah, I'd be fine with Bi-Han having that title too. He needs a new purpose anyhow.

      True. After all, he is the one who created the ESRB rating system. -DinoLord00

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    • Ridley Prime wrote:
      Oh yeah, I'd be fine with Bi-Han having that title too. He needs a new purpose anyhow.

      Come to think of it, where was Bi-Han in the whole mess of events that was MKX? Sareena made mention that he helped her break free of Quan Chi's control, and Sub-Zero's interaction dialogue suggests that he is still out there but his location is unknown. Where is he now?

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    • Was probably disintegrated by the soulnado, sadly.

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    • Ridley Prime wrote:
      Was probably disintegrated by the soulnado, sadly.

      The dialogue in the MKX story suggests that he was strong enough to break free of Quan Chi's control on his own, which leads me to believe that he is strong enough to survive that. Think about it, Revenant Kung Lao's intro dialogue with Sub-Zero, regarding the latter's brother, ends with the former saying "he calls to you from the other side". The other side of the soulnado perhaps? And Bo' Rai Cho has dialogue with Sub-Zero that involves the former saying that "I believe your brother still exists" and that "he must remain unfound". Perhaps this is because the soulnado has made Bi-Han unbelievably strong that he fears what he would do if restored to Earthrealm?

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    • Hm... That is interesting, but the intro dialogues are usually regarded as non-canon what-if scenarios. I mean it had strange stuff like Orin (one of the two edenian dragons from Armageddon) speaking through Ermac if you do a mirror match with him. It's all just easter egg stuff, though I'd definitely like if those premonitions about Bi-Han became true in the future.

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    • @Ridley Prime: While it is true that the intro dialogue can be merely easter egg stuff, but assuming some of it even becomes canon, which ones do you hope become canon?

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    • I'm personally hoping for both Noob just wandering around and for Shang Tsung coming out of Ermac.

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    • Dynamo68 wrote:
      @Ridley Prime: While it is true that the intro dialogue can be merely easter egg stuff, but assuming some of it even becomes canon, which ones do you hope become canon?

      Judging by what happens at the end of the MKX story, I'd say the most likely dialogue to become canon is one of the mirror match Raiden dialogues: "Raiden, protector of Chaosrealm"

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    • I figure that some will be canon while other won't similar to the character's endings. -DinoLord00

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    • Okay, I've just come up with an idea for Noob Saibot's return to this story. After Shinnok's downfall, Kuai Liang realizes too late that Hanzo Hasashi killed Quan Chi. He asks for privacy at the Lin Kuei temple so he can pray that his brother may safely return, but he knows any hope for that is lost. That is, until a wandering former Lin Kuei cryomancer named Hydro (oh yeah, I forgot to mention, I also want that character who only appeared in the comics and Mortal Kombat Legacy to be both playable and part of the story) returns to tell the new Grandmaster that he has been hearing a familiar voice in his head calling for help. And what scares Kuai Liang is that it's Bi-Han's voice. Hydro believes that the Dragon Medallion passed down from Grandmaster to grandmaster may be the key to pulling Noob Saibot out of the soulnado, but the power he may now possess if they can successfully bring about his return adds a high risk factor to this plan.

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    • I just want Jade and for the kombat kids to be killed off.

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    • I like the idea of Raiden becoming the protector of Chaosrealm due to his change to the dark side. I can see an intro cinematic where Raiden and Fujin fight because of how Raiden wants to bring justice to Earthrealm. Fujin thinks it is very "chaotic". When Fujin defeats Raiden, he gains protectorship and Raiden is banished out of Earthrealm. Chaosrealm then recovers Raiden and welcomes him and his methods as their protector.

      I like the idea of Hydro coming to the cast. The only thing I don't like is how closely related he is to both Rain and the Water God.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      I like the idea of Hydro coming to the cast. The only thing I don't like is how closely related he is to both Rain and the Water God.

      What are you talking about? He's a cryomancer, like Sub-Zero.

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    • Regarding intro dialogue, I really hope the one where Chameleon is mentioned becomes canon.

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    • Peja2100 wrote:

      Dragonspyne wrote:
      I like the idea of Hydro coming to the cast. The only thing I don't like is how closely related he is to both Rain and the Water God.

      What are you talking about? He's a cryomancer, like Sub-Zero.

      I know it says it but I don't know how he's a cryomancer. His power is water based. I suppose it's because he can shoot freezing cold water, but whatever.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:

      I know it says it but I don't know how he's a cryomancer. His power is water based. I suppose it's because he can shoot freezing cold water, but whatever.

      That's exactly the case. He can blast freezing cold waves of water that freeze his enemies. That's what makes him a cryomancer, but Kuai Liang would not believe him. To prove that he is what Sub-Zero believes he is not by name, Hydro would challenge the new Grandmaster to Mortal Kombat.

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    • So, a rivalry? Why not an alliance? In the Malibu comic, Hydro and Bi-Han were friends. I would assume that Hydro would want to join Kuai Liang.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      So, a rivalry? Why not an alliance? In the Malibu comic, Hydro and Bi-Han were friends.

      Exactly, and Kuai Liang thinks he's seeing a ghost looking at Hydro. He wants him to prove that he is, in fact, Bi-Han's old friend, Hydro by seeing his cryomancy skills in Mortal Kombat.

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    • Oh! I see. Basically proving himself worthy.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      Oh! I see. Basically proving himself worthy.

      Precisely

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    • I could see Noob Saibot teaming up with Tri-Borg (if he is canon) as a nod to the Noob-Smoke team up. -DinoLord00

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    • Again, that was badly received in Deception, so I don't see them going back to that.

      Regarding what I wish becomes canon, don't really have much to think of besides Shang coming out of Ermac, and Bi-Han. Raiden becoming a Chaosrealmer would fit I guess under the circumstances, but with how he is again now, don't care for him as much whether they go that route or not. Still not happy with Dark Raiden's return itself, but I guess anything that doesn't retread old ground with him would be a step up by this point.

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    • I guess so. -DinoLord00

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    • I like the idea of Dark Raiden and I feel that Boon never got to do what he wanted with him because of the Midway problem. I hope they'll go somewhere fun with this like the Protector of Chaosrealm.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      I like the idea of Dark Raiden and I feel that Boon never got to do what he wanted with him because of the Midway problem. I hope they'll go somewhere fun with this like the Protector of Chaosrealm.

      Yeah, and maybe we could see some canon Orderrealmers

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    • So like Hotaru, Dairou, and Darrius? Yeah, I'd like that too.

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    • Speaking of the Orderrealm characters, if Darrius comes back, I hope they give him a better outfit. I just thought the one he had (his primary one) looked too futuristic for my tastes.

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    • Didn't he come from a realm of technology? And I do mean advancements in technology.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      So like Hotaru, Dairou, and Darrius? Yeah, I'd like that too.

      Maybe they could help restore Raiden's humanity. Take the corruption out of him just as he took the corruption from the Jinsei.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      Didn't he come from a realm of technology? And I do mean advancements in technology.

      Who are you referring to?

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    • Dynamo68 wrote:
      Dragonspyne wrote:
      Didn't he come from a realm of technology? And I do mean advancements in technology.
      Who are you referring to?

      Darrius

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    • Peja2100 wrote:

      Dynamo68 wrote:
      Dragonspyne wrote:
      Didn't he come from a realm of technology? And I do mean advancements in technology.
      Who are you referring to?

      Darrius

      Exactly. Wasn't Darrius, being from Orderrealm, from technology? Like if you look at parts in the Orderrealm it looked pretty advanced. At least structures looked advanced.

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    • Peja2100 wrote:

      Dragonspyne wrote:
      So like Hotaru, Dairou, and Darrius? Yeah, I'd like that too.

      Maybe they could help restore Raiden's humanity. Take the corruption out of him just as he took the corruption from the Jinsei.

      I like that idea but the lineup for the Orderrealm characters would not work together. Maybe Darrius and Dairou but not Hotaru.

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    • I'd agree since Hotaru would be the one helping Onaga. -DinoLord00

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    • Regarding Dairou, I think he should be a good character instead of neutral, much like how Havik was evil instead of neutral.

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    • DinoLord00 wrote:
      I'd agree since Hotaru would be the one helping Onaga. -DinoLord00

      I see. Like, he sees the truth in Dark Raiden's ideals and starts to get tired of the interrealm conflict and the conflict within the realms. He will go missing soon after Raiden is restored and later be seen by Onaga's side.

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    • I remember Hotaru thinking that Onaga had the best ideals being that his way of ruling was very order-like.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      I remember Hotaru thinking that Onaga had the best ideals being that his way of ruling was very order-like.

      Since you mention that, what would Hotaru think about Raiden's ideals?

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    • I'd think he'd be willing to work with him under Onaga. -DinoLord00

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    • Dynamo68 wrote:
      Dragonspyne wrote:
      I remember Hotaru thinking that Onaga had the best ideals being that his way of ruling was very order-like.
      Since you mention that, what would Hotaru think about Raiden's ideals?

      I think that Hotaru would believe that Dark Raiden's ideals must match Onaga's in some way, otherwise he wouldn't have chosen to resurrect Onaga. That's what would make him abandon his own realm to side with Onaga.

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    • I guess so. Besides from them, I think the revenants will also work with Onaga for a reason I'm still trying to come up with. -DinoLord00

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    • Peja2100 wrote:
      Dynamo68 wrote:
      Dragonspyne wrote:
      I remember Hotaru thinking that Onaga had the best ideals being that his way of ruling was very order-like.
      Since you mention that, what would Hotaru think about Raiden's ideals?
      I think that Hotaru would believe that Dark Raiden's ideals must match Onaga's in some way, otherwise he wouldn't have chosen to resurrect Onaga. That's what would make him abandon his own realm to side with Onaga.

      I doubt he would side with Onaga being that he's from Outworld. I can see him going to Hotaru although I don't think he will because he's probably in the state of mind of "either you're with me or against me" or "if you're not from Earthrealm then you're not on my side".

      To answer the question of what Hotaru would think of Raiden, I say that he would think that Raiden is no better than an overpowered police officer just throwing his weight around. That wouldn't be order so Hotaru wouldn't care too much about Raiden. In fact, I would assume that in order for Hotaru to side with Raiden, Raiden would have to agree to follow Hotaru.

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    • @Dragonspyne: Now that you mention it (regarding Hotaru), I think that makes more sense.

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    • I'd like to go back to the discussion on saving Bi-Han/Noob Saibot. As I said, surviving the Soulnado would mean he has more power than anyone could ever imagine (I mean, he's not like just another one of Quan Chi's undead soldiers, he is a fusion of himself and his shadow). That could make him very dangerous. Someone would have to help him to maintain control of this power, but who would it be if Raiden is banished from Earthrealm?

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    • I can see what you're saying. I seriously doubt that Raiden and Noob will join forces but let's entertain that idea for a second.

      Both characters are dark and probably have become loners. I'm sure that Quan Chi has lost his stronghold on Noob being that he's been through the soulnado. Raiden's allies probably will look at his new attitude and try to defy him knowing that he's wrong. It would at that point only make sense that the two join forces. Right?

      Maybe not. As mentioned before, we don't know what Noob's fate was after MK9. However, intros to fights suggest that he's still active somewhere. Some of the intros suggest that he might still be evil. There's two problems to this though. 1. Where has he been how come he hasn't tried to help out Shinnok? In the original timeline, he joined up with Shinnok on his quest to take over the realms of Edenia and Earthrealm. Why not in MKX? And 2. In the original timeline, Boon was trying to have Sub-Zero redeem Noob so that he may join with his brother in the fight against the Forces of Darkness. I can only imagine that Boon wants to go back to that idea of cleansing Noob and, purhaps, the Soulnado was the fastest way to do it.

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    • True, but I don't want to make Noob Sub-Zero again because that'd get rid of his unique attributes as a character. -DinoLord00

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      I can see what you're saying. I seriously doubt that Raiden and Noob will join forces but let's entertain that idea for a second.

      Both characters are dark and probably have become loners. I'm sure that Quan Chi has lost his stronghold on Noob being that he's been through the soulnado. Raiden's allies probably will look at his new attitude and try to defy him knowing that he's wrong. It would at that point only make sense that the two join forces. Right?

      Maybe not. As mentioned before, we don't know what Noob's fate was after MK9. However, intros to fights suggest that he's still active somewhere. Some of the intros suggest that he might still be evil. There's two problems to this though. 1. Where has he been how come he hasn't tried to help out Shinnok? In the original timeline, he joined up with Shinnok on his quest to take over the realms of Edenia and Earthrealm. Why not in MKX? And 2. In the original timeline, Boon was trying to have Sub-Zero redeem Noob so that he may join with his brother in the fight against the Forces of Darkness. I can only imagine that Boon wants to go back to that idea of cleansing Noob and, purhaps, the Soulnado was the fastest way to do it.

      A very interesting theory! And I suppose with the power he has attained to survive the soulnado, he could even surpass Onaga after he has obtained all the kamidogus.

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    • Peja2100 wrote:

      A very interesting theory! And I suppose with the power he has attained to survive the soulnado, he could even surpass Onaga after he has obtained all the kamidogus.

      Right, but that's if he remains evil. He could actually turn good and go up against Onaga becoming, like I said before, the Elder God Champion.

      @DinoLord: I seriously doubt that Noob would revert back to Sub-Zero. 1. Scorpion didn't revert back to being fully human and 2. We already have a Sub-Zero. I think Bi-Han is safe to be Noob still.
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    • DinoLord00 wrote:
      True, but I don't want to make Noob Sub-Zero again because that'd get rid of his unique attributes as a character. -DinoLord00

      At the very least I'd still like if Bi-Han Sub-Zero was one of the variations of Sub-Zero in general, with some ice moves different from Kuai Liang, whether you included his unique moves from Mythologies or not.

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    • Peja2100 wrote:
      A very interesting theory! And I suppose with the power he has attained to survive the soulnado, he could even surpass Onaga after he has obtained all the kamidogus.

      Or he'd have to shatter the Kamidogu to weaken him like Shujinko did. Breaking the Kamidogu appears to require some incredible strength, which Shujinko was only able to do by absorbing the combined power of many others all at once, but a soulnado amped Bi-Han would probably be able to do the same if the plot demanded it. Would still be better than how Corrupted Shinnok got beat by a mary sue.

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    • What if Rain decided to forcefully take over Outworld or something? I don't really care if anyone likes the idea. He's just my favorite character and he really hasn't done much in the Mortal Kombat storyline.

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    • Also, in the original timeline, Raiden ressurrects Liu Kang. What if he did something simmilar but with a different character, one who everyone likes but is dead. I dunno who. He could ressurrect an entire army if he has that power. Maybe, maybe not. Just a thought.

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    • Yeah, that's what others have been thinking Raiden will do for awhile.

      Kotal Kahn and his rule has been the bane of Rain's existence thus far. Don't see that happening unless perhaps he develops some new plan to overthrow Kotal, which he would also need more allies for.

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    • It would be an interesting concept for a new character. Rain has never had a subordinate character (not counting the army Shao Kahn granted him in the original timeline).

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    • I could imagine Rain being another lackey of Onaga, but of course, with Tanya, they betray him. -DinoLord00

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    • DinoLord00 wrote:
      I could imagine Rain being another lackey of Onaga, but of course, with Tanya, they betray him. -DinoLord00

      He is prince of Edenia. He would probably try to stop Onaga from taking the kamidogu of his realm. But he would find Onaga would overpower him quickly and decide the only way to survive is to claim his service. That's my theory built off yours.

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    • I too could see Rain and Tanya becoming lackeys of Onaga.

      @Peja: Rain is described as a prince but there's nothing to suggest that he's the pince of Edenia. That would require him to be related to (at least) Kitana.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      @Peja: Rain is described as a prince but there's nothing to suggest that he's the pince of Edenia. That would require him to be related to (at least) Kitana.

      I'm suggesting that with Kitana claiming rule of the Netherrealm, the son of Argus would be declared the new prince of Edenia.

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    • Peja2100 wrote:

      I'm suggesting that with Kitana claiming rule of the Netherrealm, the son of Argus would be declared the new prince of Edenia.

      Oh okay, I get ya. The only problem is that Edenia is merged with Outworld still so there's no claiming to it. Otherwise, I would agree. Although, I would assume that Daegon would try to do the same thing maybe even be more successful at it due to his Konquest to Armageddon.

      Now that I think about it, what's going to stop Rain from trying to be the "chosen son" that'll cause an affect on the outcome of Armageddon?
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    • DinoLord00 wrote:
      I could imagine Rain being another lackey of Onaga, but of course, with Tanya, they betray him. -DinoLord00

      That'd be redundant considering Tanya's Deception ending, which shows what she would've done to Onaga if given the chance, though I guess being a traitor is pretty much all there is to her and Rain's character, so whatever.

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    • I think of Rain as a, and forgive the pun, fair weather follower. He doesn't seem to want to follow someone if they're doing bad but ironically seems to follow Tanya which could be because she's an Edenian. He'll follow her even though she seems to suck at life.

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    • Ridley Prime wrote:
      DinoLord00 wrote:
      I could imagine Rain being another lackey of Onaga, but of course, with Tanya, they betray him. -DinoLord00
      That'd be redundant considering Tanya's Deception ending, which shows what she would've done to Onaga if given the chance, though I guess being a traitor is pretty much all there is to her and Rain's character, so whatever.

      That is true. I just figure that there isn't much to him being a traitor and I figure that we should be getting more background on these obscure characters. -DinoLord00

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    • DinoLord00 wrote:
      Ridley Prime wrote:
      DinoLord00 wrote:
      I could imagine Rain being another lackey of Onaga, but of course, with Tanya, they betray him. -DinoLord00
      That'd be redundant considering Tanya's Deception ending, which shows what she would've done to Onaga if given the chance, though I guess being a traitor is pretty much all there is to her and Rain's character, so whatever.
      That is true. I just figure that there isn't much to him being a traitor and I figure that we should be getting more background on these obscure characters. -DinoLord00

      There's a lot of questions about obscure characters that they could answer in MK11. Like what the hell happened to Quan Chi's assassins Jataaka and Kia? Why weren't they the ones retrieving Shinnok's amulet instead of D'Vorah?

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    • Guessing Sareena might've killed those two counterparts of hers when she first betrayed Quan Chi, assuming Bi-Han didn't already when he was still Sub-Zero. She's become a bit more helpful to the heroes so far in the new timeline, so wouldn't surprise me.

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    • That wouldn't suprise me either.

      As far as Jataaka and Kia getting killed, they'll be back, most likely in the Netherrealm. They really have nowhere else to go. Send them wherever, they get killed, and they'll wind up in back in the Netherrealm.

      That's another thing, I'm sure that the only reason why NRS doesn't have those two in the roster is because they are too much like either Ashrah or Sareena.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      That wouldn't suprise me either.

      As far as Jataaka and Kia getting killed, they'll be back, most likely in the Netherrealm. They really have nowhere else to go. Send them wherever, they get killed, and they'll wind up in back in the Netherrealm.

      That's another thing, I'm sure that the only reason why NRS doesn't have those two in the roster is because they are too much like either Ashrah or Sareena.

      Yeah, but I'm just curious as to where Quan Chi's assassins were during Shinnok's invasion. Come to think of it, where's Jade? In the MK9 story mode, Quan Chi was about to send her revenant self to fight Raiden before he had his realization. Why wasn't she among his revenant army? Everyone else Sindel killed at least made an appearance, but not Jade. Why not?

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    • Peja2100 wrote:

      Dragonspyne wrote:
      That wouldn't suprise me either.

      As far as Jataaka and Kia getting killed, they'll be back, most likely in the Netherrealm. They really have nowhere else to go. Send them wherever, they get killed, and they'll wind up in back in the Netherrealm.

      That's another thing, I'm sure that the only reason why NRS doesn't have those two in the roster is because they are too much like either Ashrah or Sareena.

      Yeah, but I'm just curious as to where Quan Chi's assassins were during Shinnok's invasion. Come to think of it, where's Jade? In the MK9 story mode, Quan Chi was about to send her revenant self to fight Raiden before he had his realization. Why wasn't she among his revenant army? Everyone else Sindel killed at least made an appearance, but not Jade. Why not?

      I'm pretty sure the mysterious woman (who people speculate could be Delia) might have something to do with Jade's disappearance. But there was more than just that. Other things in MKX's story mode left me wondering:

      1: Fujin only appeared in the first chapter, and he's never mentioned again afterwards.

      2: We don't know what happened to Rain and Tanya. D'Vorah was about to kill them, but thanks to Cassie, they got off scot-free.

      3: It's unknown what happens to Kano. It's possible he was taken into custody for his crimes, but that's just me.

      4: It's never shown what happened to Bo' Rai Cho after he got tortured by Shinnok and the Revenants. But if any pre-battle quotes are anything to go by, I doubt they would kill him off that fast.

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    • Dynamo68 wrote:

      Peja2100 wrote: Yeah, but I'm just curious as to where Quan Chi's assassins were during Shinnok's invasion. Come to think of it, where's Jade? In the MK9 story mode, Quan Chi was about to send her revenant self to fight Raiden before he had his realization. Why wasn't she among his revenant army? Everyone else Sindel killed at least made an appearance, but not Jade. Why not?

      I'm pretty sure the mysterious woman (who people speculate could be Delia) might have something to do with Jade's disappearance. But there was more than just that. Other things in MKX's story mode left me wondering:

      1: Fujin only appeared in the first chapter, and he's never mentioned again afterwards.

      2: We don't know what happened to Rain and Tanya. D'Vorah was about to kill them, but thanks to Cassie, they got off scot-free.

      3: It's unknown what happens to Kano. It's possible he was taken into custody for his crimes, but that's just me.

      4: It's never shown what happened to Bo' Rai Cho after he got tortured by Shinnok and the Revenants. But if any pre-battle quotes are anything to go by, I doubt they would kill him off that fast.

      And what happened to D'Vorah at the end? General Blade ordered D'Vorah and Shinnok to be isolated, but we only saw Shinnok's fate.

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    • Why don't we have Kano go to Chaosrealm? The Black Dragon goes there in the original storyline, and most characters barely interact with that realm. It would be cool if he was taught in the ways of chaos. I always thought an interesting idea for a kharakter would be an Earthrealm or Outworld-born character who relocated to Chaosrealm and became pretty much went insane in Chaosrealm style.

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    • @The Electric Squid: Well, anything can happen in MK, so who knows? And assuming Kano gets arrested, perhaps someone like Jarek, Kira, and Kobra (assuming Erron Black didn't kill the latter) could bust him out.

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    • It would be kool to see more Black Dragon kharakters kome back.

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    • Indeed. And the aforementioned Black Dragon members I mentioned need to be made better (one of which is giving them better movesets). In Jarek's case, he needs his own Fatalities.

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    • What about No Face guys? He could have some new stuff besides just his flamethrower. Maybe some incendiary grenades.

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    • Well, I think he and Tasia are probably in the same situation as Kia and Jataaka, in that they could just be NPCs, but who knows.

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    • I'm sure that whatever I say is mere speculation but here are my theories to the questions asked since I last posted here.

      Quan Chi's Assassins: When it comes to an invasion of a realm, I'm sure that you don't just go to one spot of that realm but you cover several spots. If Quan Chi was a smart strategist, which he is, I would assume that he would send his troops to several spots that would make sense to isolate and take over. Jataaka and Kia could have gone somewhere very specific like the United States in Earthrealm or one of the other kingdoms in Outworld.

      Jade: My theory is that Jade is with the Mysterious Woman (could be Delia) and she's training her to fight better against the Forces of Evil. Jade could also be a part of a much larger plan to gain several Elder God Champions like Noob Saibot could be one and Jade could be another.

      Fujin: He could be on a mission to get something or even to destroy something. Otherwise there's no reason why he wasn't in the fight against Shinnok.

      Rain and Tanya: Those two will be featured in the next game without DLC. They probably will go help out Onaga.

      Kano: I agree that he has been captured. Both him and D'Vorah for their crimes.

      Bo' Rai Cho: He's mostly fine. Probably by the next game he'll be fully recuperated.

      No Face: I'm sure there can be some room for him.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      I'm sure that whatever I say is mere speculation but here are my theories to the questions asked since I last posted here.

      Quan Chi's Assassins: When it comes to an invasion of a realm, I'm sure that you don't just go to one spot of that realm but you cover several spots. If Quan Chi was a smart strategist, which he is, I would assume that he would send his troops to several spots that would make sense to isolate and take over. Jataaka and Kia could have gone somewhere very specific like the United States in Earthrealm or one of the other kingdoms in Outworld.

      Jade: My theory is that Jade is with the Mysterious Woman (could be Delia) and she's training her to fight better against the Forces of Evil. Jade could also be a part of a much larger plan to gain several Elder God Champions like Noob Saibot could be one and Jade could be another.

      Fujin: He could be on a mission to get something or even to destroy something. Otherwise there's no reason why he wasn't in the fight against Shinnok.

      Rain and Tanya: Those two will be featured in the next game without DLC. They probably will go help out Onaga.

      Kano: I agree that he has been captured. Both him and D'Vorah for their crimes.

      Bo' Rai Cho: He's mostly fine. Probably by the next game he'll be fully recuperated.

      No Face: I'm sure there can be some room for him.

      I agree with your points, Dragon. Also, I think Fujin might be looking for Kai, since Earthrealm could use more defenders.

      And Bo' Rai Cho, I guess it's possible someone may have gotten him to safety offscreen, but that's just me.

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    • I swear, if Fujin didn't do anything off-screen, I'll just have to assume he disappeared early because he's a coward or something, which would be ironically funny for a would-be protector of earthrealm successor.

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    • @Ridley Prime: Well, a lot of things were cut out of story mode for whatever reasons. One example was Jarek and Kira appearing as story mode NPCs, similar to Baraka, Rain, and Sindel.

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    • Wait, Jarek and Kira were in the MKX story mode? Where? When?

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    • No, I said they were originally planned to be story mode NPCs, but I guess they got removed due to lack of time.

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    • Ah, I see.

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    • Dynamo68 wrote:
      @Ridley Prime: Well, a lot of things were cut out of story mode for whatever reasons. One example was Jarek and Kira appearing as story mode NPCs, similar to Baraka, Rain, and Sindel.

      The MKX story (sans the comics) was just so rushed to the point it was inconceivably bad in a number of areas. Too many things left unanswered, with very little that added up.

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    • I think what happened was that there many features like the graphics and new variation system that most didn't notice many of the story mode's problems. Maybe that's why the graphics injustice 2 are slightly degraded (at least in my opinion) from MKX, to prevent the visuals from distracting them. -DinoLord00

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    • You know you guys left a Black Dragon out: Tremor. I actually want to know more about him through story details. He looks like he would be an elemental given what he can do. The Black Dragon clan has been known for a long time throughout the series, but Tremor didn't show until MK:SF. Why? It's no surprise that such small details can leave so many questions.

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    • Like Goro, I believe the prequel comics was the only time Tremor had a canon presence around the time of MKX. His future after being a DLC character is uncertain though; I wouldn't mind if he became kind of a series regular partly so we could learn more about him over time, but they might figure that less is more when it comes to a rare popular guy like him.

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    • I'm sure we'll see Tremor as a regular from now on.

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    • Well, Tremor is still alive, so defintely. I really loved his design in MKX (whether with or without his mask).

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    • I feel like there are other characters out there who ought to get more involved with the story, but I just can't name any.

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    • Fujin, Sindel, just to name a couple.

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    • I feel like during the story mode a lot of potential characters were wasted in the story. -DinoLord00

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    • That's generally what happens with bad writing 101. As successful as MKX was, I really hope they take the criticisms of the story to heart with the next one.

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    • Well, we'll just have to wait and see. Until then, Injustice 2 will have to be our sign on whether NRS' writing is improving or deteriorating. -DinoLord00

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    • DinoLord00 wrote:
      Well, we'll just have to wait and see. Until then, Injustice 2 will have to be our sign on whether NRS' writing is improving or deteriorating. -DinoLord00

      I suppose so. But I will be psyched if they put some of our ideas into their MKXI story when it comes out.

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    • That would be awesome but I wouldn't put money on it. Honestly, I feel that the story that they go for won't be as awesome as what we've been talking about on here. I suppose if they do bring on something from this site that it would be watered down quite a bit.

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    • Yeah, probably. On the other hand, I'd still be happy if they could still do some plot twists or things that would actually surprise me (in a good way) again.

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    • I totally agree. Being pleasently surprised or even to the point of eyes widening or yelling out "OMG!" would be preferred. But, of course, being able to say "I knew it!" might be just as satisfying if not more.

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    • I just don't want too many plot twists in the story because even though they don't confuse me, they might confuse some if there are too many plot twists. And it'll also become preictable if used frequently. -DinoLord00

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    • Doesn't mean this should end. We've got some awesome plot ideas: Fujin banishes Dark Raiden, who then becomes protector of Chaosrealm; Raiden resurrects Onaga, not realizing that he has a plot to control the kamidogus of all the realms to become the One Being; Onaga takes control of Outworld, anticipates Raiden's betrayal and beats him in Kombat, only to watch Raiden get taken away by Orderrealmers who hope to restore his sanity; Bi-Han is brought back from the Soulnado, and has gotten so powerful he can destroy the kamidogus and beat Onaga, thereby becoming the champion of the Elder Gods. We've got a beginning, middle, and an end. No reason for us to stop there.

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    • I'm sorry if you didn't understand it the first time, but I wasn't really trying to stop all these amazing plot ideas. I was just saying that the game shouldn't include too many big plot twists you know. -DinoLord00

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    • Peja2100 wrote:
      Doesn't mean this should end. We've got some awesome plot ideas: Fujin banishes Dark Raiden, who then becomes protector of Chaosrealm; Raiden resurrects Onaga, not realizing that he has a plot to control the kamidogus of all the realms to become the One Being; Onaga takes control of Outworld, anticipates Raiden's betrayal and beats him in Kombat, only to watch Raiden get taken away by Orderrealmers who hope to restore his sanity; Bi-Han is brought back from the Soulnado, and has gotten so powerful he can destroy the kamidogus and beat Onaga, thereby becoming the champion of the Elder Gods. We've got a beginning, middle, and an end. No reason for us to stop there.

      I can see Fujin banishing Dark Raiden who then becomes the protector of Chaosrealm. I don't see Raiden resurrecting Onaga though. Remember that Raiden knows what was supposed to happen in the original timeline. Onaga gets the Kamidogu which includes both Earthrealm and Chaosrealm. Raiden might not care about the Earthrealm Kamidogu but he will care about the Chaosrealm Kamidogu. Resurrecting Onaga would just complete the prophacy of Armageddon. Onaga would have to be resurrected some other way.

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    • What causes an Armageddon to the realms again? Thought it was just kombatants becoming too numerous and powerful or something like that. When Onaga's eventually defeated again after he gets resurrected regardless of how, I'd think that would keep that in check. Of course then again, the new timeline could always have different rules or ingredients for what could bring about an Armageddon if they choose to retread that old ground.

      Then there's the question of Blaze who we saw in MKX's pit stage, and whether Hornbuckle (lol) or some enforcer of Onaga enslaves and corrupts his original design again. I'd have to guess that was why Blaze's power upon defeat ended up aiding someone like Shao Kahn instead of one of the remaining heroes like Taven, but if the walking plot device that is Blaze is handled differently this time, so too would the end results of Armageddon change.

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    • Something I personally would like to see in the next MK game is how has Earthrealm changed since pretty much everyone knows of the other realms. Are people comfortable living with the knowledge that Earthrealm is home to magic ninja clans, crime syndicates that take part in the matters of other realms, are the history of the Great Kung Lao now taught in school? Are martial arts schools receiving more students? Is magic being studied by scientists?

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    • @Ridley: Yeah, I see what you're saying. I mean, ultimately, Armageddon is going to happen one way or another. I do like the idea of making Hornbuckle into an actual character who influences Blaze.

      @Godzillavkk: I like those questions. I think the history of the Great Kung Lao is being taught in the Shaolin Monks/White Lotus Society. I can't tell you if they're accepting students anymore. And I'm sure that scientists are studying magic. Special Forces, Black Dragon and even Red Dragon have scientists who mix technology with magic, to a small degree.

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    • Continuing from the magic expermients, I believe that the Black Dragon could be experimenting on SF prisoners or even Red Dragon captives as test subjects to produce soldiers with magical abilities. -DinoLord00

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      @Ridley: Yeah, I see what you're saying. I mean, ultimately, Armageddon is going to happen one way or another. I do like the idea of making Hornbuckle into an actual character who influences Blaze.

      @Godzillavkk: I like those questions. I think the history of the Great Kung Lao is being taught in the Shaolin Monks/White Lotus Society. I can't tell you if they're accepting students anymore. And I'm sure that scientists are studying magic. Special Forces, Black Dragon and even Red Dragon have scientists who mix technology with magic, to a small degree.

      Was mainly joking about Hornbuckle; he's literally just a green palette swapped Liu Kang. Unless they can introduce him in an interesting way like they kinda did with Blaze long after his "first apperance" in MK2's pit, I don't really see it happening.

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    • DinoLord00 wrote:
      Continuing from the magic expermients, I believe that the Black Dragon could be experimenting on SF prisoners or even Red Dragon captives as test subjects to produce soldiers with magical abilities. -DinoLord00

      That could answer my previous question about where Tremor got his powers...

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    • I also wonder if maybe there's an "Earthrealm news network" on TV in universe?

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    • I think that would make sense to have a news network but I'm sure it would be somewhat parody.

      @Ridley: Yeah, I know you were mostly joking about Hornbuckle but I actually do like the idea.

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    • Good idea to make it a parody, would make a nice addition to the krypt.

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    • Forgot to comment on it earlier, but I wonder how grateful (or ungrateful) fans of Jade and Baraka are for their additions on MKX mobile. lol Still kinda odd how some of the more requested things end up being exclusive to mobile like Darkseid in the case of the first Injustice, but I understand they gotta cut some corners in the actual console games with the schedule/deadline they're typically on.

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    • I kind of hope they don't go in that route next time. Putting it in a mobile platform only, that is. But I suppose that they did it to add an incentive to getting the mobile game.

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    • Speaking of Injustice, I remember when everyone once complained that we should be getting Kombat Pack 3 for MKX instead of Injustice 2, but now we're begging for it to come.

      Anyways, that theory Ridley Prime stated maybe true, but for the majority of the time, I think what happened was that they were too excited over new characters and instead keeping more likeable characters instead, to the point that they decided to cut them. After all, if they did cut them, it would be plausible to why they didn't add them to the Kombat Packs since it would've been less time consuming and less expensive to make for DLC than all new characters. -DinoLord00

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    • Ridley Prime wrote:
      Forgot to comment on it earlier, but I wonder how grateful (or ungrateful) fans of Jade and Baraka are for their additions on MKX mobile. lol Still kinda odd how some of the more requested things end up being exclusive to mobile like Darkseid in the case of the first Injustice, but I understand they gotta cut some corners in the actual console games with the schedule/deadline they're typically on.

      Makes me wonder what sort of time budget they were on when making the story modes of MKIX and MKX. They're decent but I'm wondering if what we got was rushed in any way.

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    • I think the story in MKX was rushed. Not sure about MK9. I just hope they don't rush it for MK11.

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    • How about MK11 story opens with a brief prologue about Onaga and the Kamidogu, and that once he almost returned to the Realms by tricking Shujinko into gathering the Kamidogu into one place. But Shujinko defeated Onaga shortly after his ressurection and hid the Kamidogu throughout the realms.

      But now The Black and Red Dragons have entered a Deadly Alliance to hunt down the Kamidogu and gain control of Onaga's army. Shujinko summons one champion from each various realm to find the Kamidogu before the Dragons do.

      The champions are

      Earthrealm: Cassie or Scorpion or Sub-Zero

      Outworld: Reptile or Li Mei

      Neatherrealm: Sereena or Havik

      Chaosrealm: Havik or a new Chaos realmer

      Seido: Dairou or Darrius (Hotaru will still be allied with Onaga)

      Since Edenia is still part of Outworld, and the remaining living Edenians are Rain and Tanya who are evil, a new Edenian character should be introduced, or Edenia should not get a champion.

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    • Godzillavkk wrote:
      How about MK11 story opens with a brief prologue about Onaga and the Kamidogu, and that once he almost returned to the Realms by tricking Shujinko into gathering the Kamidogu into one place. But Shujinko defeated Onaga shortly after his ressurection and hid the Kamidogu throughout the realms.

      But now The Black and Red Dragons have entered a Deadly Alliance to hunt down the Kamidogu and gain control of Onaga's army. Shujinko summons one champion from each various realm to find the Kamidogu before the Dragons do.

      The champions are

      Earthrealm: Cassie or Scorpion or Sub-Zero

      Outworld: Reptile or Li Mei

      Neatherrealm: Sereena or Havik

      Chaosrealm: Havik or a new Chaos realmer

      Seido: Dairou or Darrius (Hotaru will still be allied with Onaga)

      Since Edenia is still part of Outworld, and the remaining living Edenians are Rain and Tanya who are evil, a new Edenian character should be introduced, or Edenia should not get a champion.

      Wow, this sounds like a great way to open the MKXI story. Love it!

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    • To piggyback off that, because I like what you have here, make Pre-Dark Raiden stop Shujinko from bringing the final Kamidogu to the Nexus which then leaves Onaga in his "prison". Then fast forward sometime after MKX, Dark Raiden is using his powers for selfish reasons and, with the help of Shujinko, Bo' Rai Cho, and the other Earthrealm Warriors, Fujin defeats and banishes Raiden out of Earthrealm and Chaosrealm then recovers Raiden as their new protector. And finally fast forward to what you were saying about the champions of the realms to take on finding the Kamidogu just a few years after both MKX and the banishing of Raiden.

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    • I think that Raiden wouldn't be too selfish, it's just that he's extrenely strict and easy to anger y'know. -DinoLord00

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    • DinoLord00 wrote:
      I think that Raiden wouldn't be too selfish, it's just that he's extrenely strict and easy to anger y'know. -DinoLord00

      This is Dark Raiden. All his ideals are corrupted. He's only doing what HE thinks is "best for the realm". I think what he's trying to say is that Dark Raiden's newfound unorthodox methods are deliberately causing heavy collateral damage, which is, of course, not like Raiden at all. For that reason, he must be banished from Earthrealm.

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    • Yes, that is pretty much what I was trying to say. It's not that Raiden is really selfish but his strictness does feel selfish in the fact that Raiden wants what HE thinks is best for Earthrealm. Technically speaking, the Regime Superman from Injustice wasn't "selfish" but his ideals of how the world should be were very self fullfilling.

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    • I think that for this story we ought to get more about the Khameleons. Especially the male, cause we know almost nothing about him.

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    • I'd like to point out that the founding members of the Black Dragon and the Red Dragon clans are the half-god sons of Argus, and in the original timeline, both clans had the intention of one brother killing the other. I just think the idea of the two brothers' clans being the new timeline's Deadly Alliance is cool.

      Also, I'm late to the party, but why are Rain and Tanya evil?

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    • Peja2100 wrote:
      I'd like to point out that the founding members of the Black Dragon and the Red Dragon clans are the half-god sons of Argus, and in the original timeline, both clans had the intention of one brother killing the other. I just think the idea of the two brothers' clans being the new timeline's Deadly Alliance is cool.

      Also, I'm late to the party, but why are Rain and Tanya evil?

      First off, the Black Dragon was not founded by Taven in the original timeline, they were founded by ex Red Dragons who were fed up with the Red Dragon code. They wanted a more a more anarchic crime syndicate. I'm assuming that story is the same is the current timeline. And Tanya and Rain are labeled as evil for now.

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    • I don't know, they're evil because they're traitorous Edenians who turned on their own people?

      And yeah, Taven had nothing to do with the Black Dragon, otherwise he'd be evil too like his brother.

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    • Although, it would be cool if Daegon and Taven were the creators of the two clans. I would settle on the idea that the two were the inspiration for the two clans being that they both have the dragon tattoos on their faces.

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    • I feel like it would just be best that Taven remain good. -DinoLord00

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    • I agree. After all, he's going to have to return eventually. Raiden only prevented one outcome of Armageddon.

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    • Yeah, but who's saying that Taven has to be evil?

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    • Exaclty. I figure that if he is going to appear, he may as well be another associate with SF like Kenshi.

      -DinoLord00

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    • I don't really see him hanging with the Special Forces; maybe going against Kotal Kahn to separate Edenia from Outworld since he's Edenian, or having a mingle or conflict with Rain a la Armageddon Konquest, but hopefully better done.

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    • Ridley Prime wrote:
      I don't really see him hanging with the Special Forces; maybe going against Kotal Kahn to separate Edenia from Outworld since he's Edenian, or having a mingle or conflict with Rain a la Armageddon Konquest, but hopefully better done.

      Probably.

      I'd also like to see this new timeline bring back the Khameleons in some way. Perhaps something Reptile would encounter on his search for the Kamidogu of Outworld should he become its champion.

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    • I am of the belief that Netherrealm will bring back Chameleon, Khameleon, or both, but only as NPCs, which would kinda piss me off more than if they just didn't appear at all.

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    • It would be a wise move if they re-introduce 3D characters via cameos first before making them playable again.

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    • Godzillavkk wrote:
      It would be a wise move if they re-introduce 3D characters via cameos first before making them playable again.

      I suppose I somewhat agree with that depending on the character, but my point was mostly that even if we do get to see them again as cameos, we'll probably never see them playable again. Which is disappointing to me. Similar to how Fujin was only a cameo in MKX. He should've been at the very least DLC, but hey, perhaps they have bigger plans for him in MK11.

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    • Godzillavkk wrote:
      It would be a wise move if they re-introduce 3D characters via cameos first before making them playable again.

      Yeah, it's a good way to test the waters with their current popularity/demand; doing so work with MKX later worked for Bo Rai Cho, and ugh, Tanya.

      The rainbow ninjas (both male and female version) I don't expect to really be tied into the story of the current timeline in any way, though would be cool if they appeared in pre-MK11 comics like others such as Skarlet surprisingly did for the pre-MKX ones.

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    • As for the rainbow ninjas, I'm not sure, but maybe they could reference them instead io fun little intro dialogues.

      -DinoLord00

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    • I'm thinking that because they're all Zaterrans and Reptile is under the belief that he is the only survivor.

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    • Just as an innocent correction, but from what i recall, Chameleon isn't completely confirmed to be Zaterran. -DinoLord00

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    • I wouldn't be surprised if Chameleon was a Zaterran. We just have to wait and see.

      P.S: Sorry for my long absence. My computer had a virus beforehand, but it's since been fixed.

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    • I kind of wish that there could be just a bit more background to the franchise's species. -DinoLord00

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    • I agree. There should also be some more background to the rivalry between certain species.

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    • The race rivalries have kinda always been shallow, like the case of Shokans vs Centaurs which only existed to compete for gaining favor of working with Shao Kahn. Don't see how something like that could be gone into much more detail though.

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    • Maybe they could try to tell on how the rivalries work like hoe the Shokan and Centaurs place embargos on each other or something. -DinoLord00

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    • Yes! And also, I realize that the way it is with Shokans vs. Centaurs. It's too simple. I think if they expand on it and give it a bigger reason then it won't be so simple and shallow.

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    • Speaking of something else, do you think that they might make the power levels in the story more accurate.

      -DinoLord00

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    • I think if our idea is to make the Red and Black Dragon clans the new timeline's Deadly Alliance (the two edenian brothers/sons of Argus being key members) we should go into a little more about Edenia's story

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    • I doubt they would make Taven into a key member of the Black Dragon. He wasn't around when the Black Dragon was formed. However, I could imagine that the Black Dragon was formed with Taven in mind.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      I doubt they would make Taven into a key member of the Black Dragon. He wasn't around when the Black Dragon was formed. However, I could imagine that the Black Dragon was formed with Taven in mind.

      Still, we should hear more of the story of Edenia

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    • I also wish we could get more in depth between the whole Chaosrealm vs. Orderrealm stuff or anything related to the two realms. -DinoLord00

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    • @Peja: I think Edenia has a lot of background as far as characters and even structure. However, I don't disagree that we could use more depth of the realm. At this point, the people who have actual knowledge of Edenia would be Sindel and Shao Kahn. Sindel seems to be too evasive to explain anything and Shao Kahn just doesn't care.

      @DinoLord: The "relationship" between Chaosrealm and Orderrealm is pretty one sided. It just feels like the problem between the two is that they are complete opposites. "Chaos vs. Order! Hooray!"

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    • I'd also like to imagine the possibility that Mileena may return, even though D'Vorah killed her in front of Cage's team and the emporor himself. Think about it - in the MK9 story mode when Kitana discovered what Shang Tsung was doing in the Flesh Pits, there was more than one Mileena he created. Imagine if one of the klones created in there just suddenly gained consciousness and took Mileena's place.

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    • I have to wonder if the "new" Mileena would have her memories and if she would be the furious monster version. I suppose that this lipped version of Mileena from MKX would be null being that she died.

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    • I believe so. Speaking of revivals, how do  you think most of the characters would be revived. -DinoLord00

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      I have to wonder if the "new" Mileena would have her memories and if she would be the furious monster version. I suppose that this lipped version of Mileena from MKX would be null being that she died.

      Depends on where they go with whatever Mileena clone they have in mind I guess. I know the lipped Mileena was just a design choice, but since they never explained it, I guess she became a bit more humanized to look more presentable since she would temporarily be Empress and all.

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    • Right, I agree with that she became more human. I think it was either magic or just time in general. The bginning of the MKX comics had her with no lips and the later ones had her with lips so it could just be a matter of time. I'm sure if one of the clones were to be active then it would have the no lips look.

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    • I see, but we'll just have to wait and see on what happens to Mileena. -DinoLord00

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    • Of course. In actuality, I don't see Mileena being in MKXI anyway just because she died in MKX. The trend seems to be that if someone dies they either are dead for the next one or will become resurrected as a revenant. But it does seem that the truly evil ones will just stay dead in the next game. This could be different within the ones who die in the comic books.

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    • Mileena will stay dead. Quan Chi is no longer alive to resurrect her. Shinnok is just a head. While a clone may exist, the original Mileena will not return. Shao Kahn is dead, killed by Raiden and the Elder Gods. Unless Daegon makes a move, I don't forsee a current MK character becoming the main villain in the next game. A new villain will likely be a new character or possibly Raiden, due to becoming dark. 

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    • Oh, and I expect to see Taven return as well, as his brother has.

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    • More likely than not, Liu Kang, Kitana and other previously good MK characters(R.I.P Smoke) are going to represent the Netherealm now. There is no way for them to be freed, so they are the new "villains" in this timeline. I don't think it will be a popular move, as Liu and Kitana are popular heroes, and Netherealm Studios may reboot the timeline yet again.

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    • SgtZaitsev69 wrote:
      More likely than not, Liu Kang, Kitana and other previously good MK characters(R.I.P Smoke) are going to represent the Netherealm now. There is no way for them to be freed, so they are the new "villains" in this timeline. I don't think it will be a popular move, as Liu and Kitana are popular heroes, and Netherealm Studios may reboot the timeline yet again.

      Since both Shang Tsung and Quan Chi are dead, they'll most likely skip the Deadly Alliance part of the timeline and go straight to Deception

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    • Best option they can go with, considering... With Onaga's innate resurrecting ability, that could still be the answer for some characters. On the other hand, if they do go somewhere totally new and different while Liu, Kitana, and them remain revenants, then the current timeline deserves whatever backlash it gets in the long run. Would be hard to take the writers as seriously anymore than I already do (which isn't much now) if they had to do an MK9 esque reset button from hitting a dead end yet again.

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    • Ridley Prime wrote:
      Best option they can go with, considering... With Onaga's innate resurrecting ability, that could still be the answer for some characters. On the other hand, if they do go somewhere totally new and different while Liu, Kitana, and them remain revenants, then the current timeline deserves whatever backlash it gets in the long run. Would be hard to take the writers as seriously anymore than I already do (which isn't much now) if they had to do an MK9 esque reset button from hitting a dead end yet again.

      There's no way I would respect them anymore if they did that

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    • If Onaga resurrected any of the cast, they would be just like revenants, except under Onaga's control. They would also die when Onaga did. As Quan Chi is dead, it is unlikely that anyone will be able to find Onaga's Army. Another possibility is that Raiden will find it and he and Fujin may become to new Deadly Alliance.

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    • Blaze will hopefully make a return as a good character. Another thing on Onaga, his army MUST be found in order to resurrect him. No army=no Onaga. 

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    • In Deception Ermac freed those that were under Onaga's control, who still remained even after Shujinko killed him. I suspect current Raiden would find the army or something, yeah, though Fujin would not ally himself with Dark Raiden's extremism unless he somehow got corrupted also.

      His army? I thought he just needed a host body, like Reptile in the first timeline's case. Blaze seemed like he was always on the side of good essentially, but had no control over who got to fight/defeat him and gain his power.

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    • He does need a host body of course as Onaga's Holy Men inscribed in his ancient tomb. But it does wonder me if there is a way for Onaga to return without the need of a host body.

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    • How about moral choices in MK11's story? Injustice 2 allows you to choose which character you wish to play as in certain fights. Well what if MK11 went to the next level? Let's run a what if scenario in the MK11 story and see what you would choose.

      Scenario. It's Cassie's chapter. And throughout the game, she and Kano's son, another playable character have gone through an evolving relationship, from enemies, to rivals, to friends, and eventually romance. This has caused him to abandon his father's crime syndicate and join the hero's. But now he's been captured by Kano who wants to put a computer chip in his son's brain to force him to obey his will. At the same time though, the Kamidogu the heroes have been searching for has been found by the Red Dragon who are reluctantly working with their archenemy to ressurect Onaga's army. A new Red Dragon character is already loading the Kamidogu on a Red Dragon interrealm transporter, all the other heroes are preoccupied and can't intervine and the brain operation and transport are too far away geographically for her to stop both. Cassie must now make a painful choice. Save the man she has grown to love? Or save the Kamidogu from falling into Red Dragon hands?

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    • Godzillavkk wrote:
      How about moral choices in MK11's story? Injustice 2 allows you to choose which character you wish to play as in certain fights. Well what if MK11 went to the next level? Let's run a what if scenario in the MK11 story and see what you would choose.

      Scenario. It's Cassie's chapter. And throughout the game, she and Kano's son, another playable character have gone through an evolving relationship, from enemies, to rivals, to friends, and eventually romance. This has caused him to abandon his father's crime syndicate and join the hero's. But now he's been captured by Kano who wants to put a computer chip in his son's brain to force him to obey his will. At the same time though, the Kamidogu the heroes have been searching for has been found by the Red Dragon who are reluctantly working with their archenemy to ressurect Onaga's army. A new Red Dragon character is already loading the Kamidogu on a Red Dragon interrealm transporter, all the other heroes are preoccupied and can't intervine and the brain operation and transport are too far away geographically for her to stop both. Cassie must now make a painful choice. Save the man she has grown to love? Or save the Kamidogu from falling into Red Dragon hands?

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    • Simply choosing sides like Inj 2's story would be enough. Don't need to take it a step further by forcing you to make complicated moral decisions. lol

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    • Complicated maybe, but think of the fun.

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    • Ridley Prime wrote:
      Simply choosing sides like Inj 2's story would be enough. Don't need to take it a step further by forcing you to make complicated moral decisions. lol

      Agreed. I don't want it to end up like the moral choices in the Mass Effect series (ME3 being the worst offender when it came to that). That would suck if MK did that.

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    • Well I like Mass Effect. But if Moral Choices aren't working for you, what new feature would you put into MK11's story?

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    • I wasn't saying I didn't like ME (in fact, those games are awesome). I was just saying that Moral Choices wouldn't be suitable for a franchise like Mortal Kombat. As for what new feature I would want in future games, I'm not so sure.

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    • I feel neutral towards MC choices in MK, since they wouldn't feel right for a fighting game, but NRS is really good at innovating stuff we never expected in fighting games. -DinoLord00

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    • Actually, I think it would be fun to have Moral Choices. You could call it Choose Your Destiny Mode or something like that. Like you go through story mode but then you choose what character to play as as the story goes along. This way, there could be multiple endings to the story mode.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      Actually, I think it would be fun to have Moral Choices. You could call it Choose Your Destiny Mode or something like that. Like you go through story mode but then you choose what character to play as as the story goes along. This way, there could be multiple endings to the story mode.

      Anything is possible. If they did include such a feature, it would make up for the rushed story mode of MKX. Also, the next game should include Stage Transitions. I recall that they were supposed to be in MKX, but got cut due to lack of time. The same thing happened with Brutalities, in that they were supposed to be in MK9, but got cut for the same reason, though they ended up being in MKX.

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    • The only issue or question is how do you determine what is canon for like the sequel game after that if you were to go there with the story in having so many different possible outcomes? Even now I wonder how they'll continue with Injustice 3 should that happen. Like would it continue off from Batman's or Superman's story ending?

      Stage transitions, became mostly an Injustice feature, even though MK had them first with some early games. MKX having them would've been fun too though, and if you wanted to have more serious matches you could turn them off like in Injustice. Perhaps they felt the over the top transitions of throwing people through buildings and shit was meant more for superheroes (particularly superpowered ones) than your average street level MK characters. IDK

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    • I think maybe we ought to know more about the other realms merged with Outworld, like Zaterra

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    • I think that the new timeline doesn't have to be a simple remake of other games. That's why Netherealm keeps killing off main characters. As a side note, anyone else noticed how some character endings coincide? For example, Sonya's and Jax's endins in MKX both have Jax being shot and dying by an assassin's bullet. The assassin is Erron Black who (in his ending) would have killed the new characters. Not important to canon but still pretty cool.

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    • Ridley Prime wrote:
      The only issue or question is how do you determine what is canon for like the sequel game after that if you were to go there with the story in having so many different possible outcomes? Even now I wonder how they'll continue with Injustice 3 should that happen. Like would it continue off from Batman's or Superman's story ending?

      Stage transitions, became mostly an Injustice feature, even though MK had them first with some early games. MKX having them would've been fun too though, and if you wanted to have more serious matches you could turn them off like in Injustice. Perhaps they felt the over the top transitions of throwing people through buildings and shit was meant more for superheroes (particularly superpowered ones) than your average street level MK characters. IDK

      Yeah, I suppose you're right. Now that you mention it, stage transitions wouldn't feel right for something as realistic MK, despite the fact that there are things in the series that defy logic.

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    • Going back to the idea about Onaga's army, Dark Raiden has Shinnok's amulet. That alone could have the energy resurrect the entire army.

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    • Well, I'm not sure if it's legit or the fake one Quan Chi gave, but I'll assume it could do that. -DinoLord00

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    • It has to be real. Raiden used it to take the power out of Corrupted Shinnok.

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